Dan Margulis Applied Color Theory
High-End Color Correction--Still of Value?
High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: Dan Margulis
Mon Feb 5, 2007 5:18 pm (PST)
Folks,
The following just came to me off-list from the head of
the color department at a printing firm whose name would be known to most
of us. Although it was addressed to me personally, it seems like something
that list members might wish to comment on as well.
Dan Margulis
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Subj: High End Color Correction - Still of value?
Date: Monday, February 5, 2007 7:35:19 PM
From:
To: Dan Margulis
Hi Dan,
Hope you are doing well. I just purchased your new
edition of Professional Photoshop. Very well done. Thank you for all your
effort. We have found it very useful here at [name of company].
In the first edition of Professional Photoshop [he
refers to the 1994 edition--D.M.] you made this statement:
"Color correction fluency is not picked up easily.
The basic techniques are mature: electronic scanners, which color-correct
in much the same way we do today, were introduced nearly 20 years ago.
Throughout that time, those skilled at correcting color, whether by hand or
on sophisticated systems, have been the highest-paid and most sought-after
people in the industry - more so than photographers, strippers,
typographers, designers, or art directors." - page x.
I know the printing industry has changed quite a bit
from the days of photographic separations, but digital separations can be
just as problematic. Are there still color artists / companies (besides
yourself) who are viewed by the industry with the same esteem you mention
above? Or is the skill of digital color correction viewed by the industry
at large as a simple process that requires little talent?
Many people who have a camera think they are a
photographer (anyone can take a picture), which has helped devalue what
real photographers can do. The attitude I have faced locally regarding
color correction is similar - that anyone with Photoshop can produce
acceptable results because the individual who produces separations isn't
really an "artist," because it doesn't take much talent. This
concern has many implications, especially with regard to making a carrier
out of color correcting. How do you feel about this? Has the apparent
waning of respect for this field by some in the industry reached a point of
no return? Does the value of what we produce day-in and day-out still equal
the best efforts of industry designers or art directors?
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: "Romano, John"
Mon Feb 5, 2007 6:15 pm (PST)
We still have dedicated "Color" people in our
Pre Press.
Although Managment would love to be able to hand out
work to everyone and anyone its just not possible.
All of our Color people are X Scanner and Scitex
operators that have 25+ years in the trade. The newbies that have come into
the trade in the past 10 or 15 years do not have that type of experience.
Knowning Color and what your clients need are, along
with being able to make quick decisions when the press is down is still an
art.....
Our Jobs dictate who can work on them, we will have
some of the easier tasks like masking handled by everyone but the Color
Critical is only done by a few.
So yes I would say my company holds it of High Value in
todays ever changing print shop.
John R
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: "Jerry P'Simer"
Mon Feb 5, 2007 8:55 pm (PST)
I can say from experience that there is still a high
value in the skill sets mentioned above. I just took a new job, moving from
a lithographic trade shop, to working for a conglomeration of three of our
biggest clients. I am well paid and I am classified as a process
artist/retoucher. The majority of work that I perform is retouching, but
also includes a vast amount of "color retouching" and high end
color correction. The outcome is used for advertising for the automotive
industry. In this regard, the skill required to meet the level of
expectation is still very high and requires a vast amount of knowledge.
This is something that was very much a part of the job
requirement/description from this employer.
I can not speak for the printing industry as a whole
because I have not worked directly for a printer since the early 1980's
when the skills you mention above were very much sought after. But, in the
right market place, these skill sets are still very much in demand. I would
assume that this also includes certain type of printers as well.
Regards,
Jerry P'Simer
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: "Depaola, Robert"
Mon Feb 5, 2007 8:55 pm (PST)
Hi Guys
I am running an in-house advertising agency for a mid
sized corporate here in Australia that services an international market
place.
Thanks Dan for raising this - here is my perspective on
what Dan has raised as a very serious issue.
I should say that we do a heavy amount of Photoshop
work - both at the levels of rendering for new product concepts and high
end corporate magazines and product brochures. All image acquisition,
manipulation and prepress is done "in-house". LAB, RGB and CMYK
color spaces are all used at some point for what we do. Equally, web,
print, DVD and photographic outputs are all relevant output modalities to
us.
My main premise is that technology is now obsoleting
certain industries and it is affecting everyone in different ways. No
surprises there!
There is no doubt, in my opinion, that we are now in an
era of what I call "amateurization" of photography and color
correction because the tools to undertake this work are now readily
available at a price point that has become affordable to the mass market.
The mystery surrounding the dark room and color correction has been
revealed in consumer magazines that are available at any newsagency today.
Companies like Adobe, Nikon, Canon, Apple, Dell etc
have decided that they will make more money by selling products and tools
like Photoshop and devices like high end DSLRs and workstations to the
consumer market than nurturing a far smaller and more demanding (i.e. less
profitable) professional market.
This presents a considerable challenge to our industry
because the high end skill sets of proper photography and careful color
correction are not really generally understood or appreciated in the
advertising agency industry or even generally now, in the executive arena
where the money is being authorized to spend on projects. There are of
course exceptions and this statement is a generalization based on feedback
that I have gotten from other colleagues.
There is however, one noticeable exception that I have
identified.
Anytime you have a scenario of having a premium brand
that has to connect with potential high-end lucrative spending customers
and where imagery is central to the creative execution - then you need
serious photography and prepress skills to prepare the advertising
materials today . In this respect, nothing has changed over the last 20
years.
But even as little as 5 years ago, you had to have a
prepress and film component with ANY job that was destined for an offset
printer. Today, the prepress is largely done by most printers who probably
don't really care or appreciate all the issues that traditional pre-press
houses made a living of dealing with. Printers equate pre-press with
pushing a button to send work directly to a plate making device. Printers
tell me that clients "won't spend the money anymore on this
stuff"...."the market has gone".... So general printing work
is very average to say the least. Flat lighting, bland colors, indifferent
page design, cheap paper etc etc. The problem is largely coming from the
client themselves. Printers have to eat like all of us.
Also, lets not blame the printers because the
technology has really sped everything up to a point where customers expect
same day or next day turnaround. Everything now is set to automate the
process. All the checking, proper stip proofing and careful job examination
is a casualty of this mentality.
Another major factor is the way that marketing that has
gone - markets have become segmented and then segmented again. Product
lifecycles are much shorter. The market place is more turbulent and we are
in an era of instant gratification and disposability. This has meant that
jobs are not as critical/appreciated now as they once were. I mean to say
that with the web and now the phone opening up as a serious method of
engaging consumers, more emphasis is placed on promotional activities and
short term rewarding methods like frequent flyer points. Printing is not
the only game in town to engage a consumer.
All this leads back to one point - that is US in the
industry. What are we doing to educate our customers about why they need
us? Are we lifting our game to another level that amateurs can't reach?
Finally, do we recognize that the greatest threat to our industry is simply
customer indifference?
Robert de Paola
Advertising Manager - EGR
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: "Alan Klement"
Tue Feb 6, 2007 8:50 am (PST)
Holy cow- Robert you hit the nail on the head, and Dan
bringing up this point is crucial. There has been a nexus of all Robert has
mentioned.(plus the addition of pro-amateurs shooting stock)
BUT there is light at the end of the tunnel. I think
there is some of a backlash.
I consider myself an expert skin retoucher, and people
are flocking to me in the last year or so because their clients are
rejecting the "photoshopped" look of men and women and want a
more natural look. Even the term "photoshopped" has entered the
pop cultre lexicon.
I constantly have people ask me "how do you get
skin to look so real"
Look at European magazines and you see more
"natural" looking people. I believe (and hope) this will trickle
to US markets.
Also, there are the art directors who think they know
photoshop but are jokers themselves. I was working a shoot and the art
director went on and on how he could make the shot look like night time in
photoshop. Finially I got sick of his bs and blurted out to the
photographer "change the color temp of your camera to 4200k" they
did this and I swear they thought I was a genius.....no I just know color
by the numbers, including temperature.
Point being, these guys (some that I know) are getting
tired of trying to fix things themselves and are realizing others can do it
better and faster.
Alan Klement
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: "Werner Tschan"
Tue Feb 6, 2007 9:18 am (PST)
Remember when programs like CorelDraw! flooded the
market and every secretary was doing graphics? It's over. The professionals
have taken back over. I guess the same is going to happen with photography.
We don't only have to be able to correct images well - we have to be able
to do this in an efficient way in order to make money out of it. Right now
I am losing some work to amateur photographers, but I am sure these clients
are going to be back, knocking on my door sooner than they expected.
Werner Tschan
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: Dan Margulis
Fri Feb 9, 2007 12:07 pm (PST)
The anonymous manager in a major printing company wrote
(quoting the 1994 version of
Professional Photoshop):
"Color correction fluency is not picked up easily.
The basic techniques
are mature: electronic scanners, which color-correct in
much the same
way we do today, were introduced nearly 20 years ago.
Throughout that
time, those skilled at correcting color, whether by
hand or on
sophisticated systems, have been the highest-paid and
most sought-after
people in the industry - more so than photographers,
strippers,
typographers, designers, or art directors." - page
x.
I know the printing industry has changed quite a bit
from the days of
photographic separations, but digital separations can
be just as
problematic. Are there still color artists / companies
(besides
yourself) who are viewed by the industry with the same
esteem you
mention above? Or is the skill of digital color
correction viewed by
the industry at large as a simple process that requires
little talent?
Well, photographic separations are before my time
(except for originals that could not physically be wrapped around a drum)
but certainly the environment has changed. The last sentence of the quote I
think has remained true since 1994--they are the most sought-after, and
highest-paid, people in the industry--but they're working in nontraditional
places.
The top professional retouchers (at least in the big
cities) still command big bucks. This was particularly true in the runup to
the dot-com bust, when the shortage of qualified people was so great that
even some people of rather inferior skills had six-figure incomes. But the
sheer number of professional retouchers has gone down, for a number of
reasons, and there are a lot of developments that have clouded the issue,
namely:
*In 1994, anybody getting work color-corrected was
spending thousands of dollars to do so. That fact pretty well disqualified
anybody who wasn't interested in quality. Today, with color costing a tiny
fraction as much, you get all kinds of people who don't care how good the
result is. Naturally, these people don't appreciate color correction--but
they don't eliminate the people who do.
*In 1994, the world at large didn't even know the
basics. The edition of Professional Photoshop that you speak of caused as
big a stir in its day as Photoshop LAB Color did last year, largely because
it made the shocking suggestion that people should try to set a proper
highlight and shadow. It's something every beginner knows today, but back
then, it seemed like magic. *Anybody* who knew how to do that looked like a
genius.
*Pre-1994, anybody who wanted top quality HAD to hold
professional retouchers in high esteem. An art director, a photographer, a
corporate desktop publisher would be extremely unlikely to own the
equipment needed to do serious color correction. If they did own it, the
chances are they would not have known how to get quality work out of it.
But the fastest dedicated graphic arts workstation of 1994 is like a
three-legged tortoise on Quaaludes in comparison to the cheapest computers
available today--and the knowledge of how to color-correct is widespread.
Consequently, in 1994 "those skilled at
corrrecting color" invariably worked at a prepress house or printer.
The prepress houses are now gone and not as many of the printers are
interested in the subject now as used to be. So, if you limit the field to
those working for service providers, yes, probably they are held in less
esteem, and no longer paid as much as, say, skilled pressmen.
But as to whether *on the whole* those skilled at
correcting color are "the highest-paid and most sought-after people in
the industry" I would say emphatically yes. Any creative who works in
an advertising agency but can't handle color is on borrowed time. Few
professional photographers can even stay in business without offering some
type of supplementary color-related service. Corporate production people
who don't know how to color-correct walk around with a big target on their
backs.
Do people who have little interest in quality hold
retouchers in high esteem? Probably not, but it's unfair to consider such
folk because none of them were around in 1994. But for the employers of
everybody mentioned above, the words you quoted from 1994 still hold, now
more than ever.
Dan Margulis
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: "Ron Kelly"
Fri Feb 9, 2007 1:48 pm (PST)
Dan:
I was shocked to see the poor print quality in Macleans
just recently. For those of you who don't get up to Canada very much, this
would be the Canadian equivalent to Time Magazine. Their circulation is, or
perhaps was,among the highest of Canadian magazines.
Certainly the cover is closely monitored but many of
the stories inside the periodical appear as though someone sent the camera
original through to the platemaker and let 'er RIP. They didn't even hit
"auto levels" en route. This was definitely not the case when I
ceased being a regular reader many years ago.
Will this type of cost cutting catch up to them
sometime soon? No doubt the same folks who laid off the pre-press people
would blanche at the idea of letting the copy editors go.
My experience in the retail wars is that there's a
large market of folks who are visually brain dead, and cost is the *only*
thing that matters. They'd spot a typo, though, and get right 'raged about
it.
You wouldn't ever have said that the color quality at
Macleans was top-of-the-line but I never thought I would see a national
newsmagazine with quality this bad.
Ron Kelly
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: "Robert de paola"
Fri Feb 9, 2007 1:50 pm (PST)
Guys
I'd like to add two comments to Dan's reply.
The digital separations are indeed problematic - but
only if you are aware of what you are looking for. As general observation
here, the problem today as I see it is that amateurs are oblivious to the
problems and clients are now not being sold color as a value added service
as part of a disciplined process. So they are equally oblivious.
Maybe the real question is how many of you "color
gurus" out there "today" are now pulling 6 figure salaries?
The logic behind this question is simply that you are paid a salary
commensurable with the value an employer believes that you are worth i.e.
"held in high esteem".
Has this number grown or shrunk compared to 1994?
Given that ad agencies (& customers who prepare
their own files) have effectively replaced the role of the traditional
pre-press house & pro scanner operator today because we live in a
largely "PDF centric" world, do the majority of clients really
care anymore that professional color correction/professional retouching is
not being undertaken on up to 80 percent of jobs being printed today simply
because the images are now starting to be fed from some amateur/semi pro
digital camera?
Could this situation support a contention that the
professional retoucher's low/mid-end jobs have vanished and what is left is
only the upper end of the market who absolutely demand quality color?
regards
Robert
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: "Laurentiu Todie"
Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:06 pm (PST)
I'm making less money than in… 1984
(but with a lot less overtime)
so much less that I sometimes can't find work at all :
)
35 years of pre press and much more
Laurentiu Todie
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Re: High End Color Correction--Still of value?
Posted by: Dan Margulis
Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:05 am (PST)
Robert De Paola writes,
Maybe the real question is how many of you "color
gurus" out there
"today" are now pulling 6 figure salaries?
The logic behind this
question is simply that you are paid a salary
commensurable with the
value an employer believes that you are worth i.e.
"held in high
esteem".
It's likely that few people will volunteer to say what
they make, other than to comment that it isn't nearly enough.
*Salaries* in the six-figure range are uncommon except
among managers who have a strong technical background, and even then are
found only in large cities. It is politically rather difficult at most
companies to pay such high salaries to full-time non-managers. The people
who earn this kind of money are paid by the hour.
As for "held in high esteem", the hourly
rates that the *top* people get speak for themselves. There's more high-end
work than ever now, and sensible employers realize that if a top person can
deliver ten times the value of some somebody without a lot of correction
experience, they can certainly be paid six times as much per hour.
Has this number grown or shrunk compared to 1994?
Adjusting for inflation, the percentage shrunk, because
there's not the shortage of skilled people that there used to be,
consequently a skilled person is not able to find unlimited hours of work.
It's a question of economic distortions.
When there's more work than skilled persons available,
earnings soar, particularly in the cities. The most striking such examples
were in the late 1980s and the late 1990s. In each case there was an
explosion of color work being done. In the late 1980s, electronic systems
weren't powerful enough to siphon much of it off, resulting in enormous
demand for skilled strippers. My company had around 100 full-time
strippers, and they were offered unlimited overtse people were making, in
today's dollars, over $300,000 a year--and several weren't even high-school
graduates.
Similarly, in the run-up to the dot-com bust, there was
unlimited work available in the big cities to qualified retouchers, with
the result that I mentioned: some people of very questionable competence
were making the sort of money being mentioned here.
Today, it's unlikely this can happen. Employers don't
paying people this much because they want to be nice or because they think
that retouchers are particularly deserving; they're doing it because they
need to get the work done right and can't find another alternative. The
moment that such an alternative becomes available, they jump for it. That's
worked to the benefit of many on this list, particularly certain
photographers, who have increased their own profitability by taking on such
retouching work, while making it tougher for the dedicated freelancers to
make a buck.
Dan Margulis