Dan Margulis Applied Color Theory
A New Sharpening Mask Idea
A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Dan Margulis
Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:54 pm (PST)
Greetings to the group from Helsinki, where I've just
finished a class with a dauntless group of Finnish photographers. It was a
most enjoyable experience that I'll discuss more when back in the U.S. in
two weeks.
Meanwhile, I wanted to throw out a sharpening idea that
I've been having success with recently. I am intending to show this in my
advanced classes later this year but haven't tested it as well as I should
have with enough of a variety of images. So, to those interested in testing
it , suggestions or comments would be welcome, although I don't know
whether I will personally see them for the next two weeks.
For the moment, this idea pertains only to conventional
sharpening, meaning with a high Amount and a relatively low Radius. I have
had only mixed success with hiraloam. Although it is mildly applicable in
CMYK and somewhat more in LAB, its real power would be for those forced to
sharpen conventionally in RGB, which is technically the weakest sharpening
space for several reasons.
We all know that conventional sharpening is highly
effective at adding focus, but also prone to adding undesirable detritus,
particularly in lighter areas. Consequently, there have been many ideas
about sharpening through a mask. John Ruttenberg has suggested using Blend
If sliders to limit the amount of sharpening that can take place in lighter
areas. I have suggested using Command-Option-1, then Command-I, to load an
inverted luminosity mask and sharpening through that. And many people have
mentioned some type of edge mask that tries to select only the areas of
transition, and sharpening through that. I have never been a big fan of
this method because it seems to me to yield unnatural results. The first
two methods OTOH are relatively safe but don't always allow as much
sharpening as I would like.
I wrote about why darker areas accept sharpening better
than lighter ones as early as 1994. Since then, I've realized a
corollary--in addition to lightness, a strong color is an argument against
sharpening. We don't like to oversharpen skies, the petals of flowers, and
human skin, for example. Inverted luminosity masks don't take account of
this effect. A deep red rose is a fairly dark object, so an inverted
luminosity mask would allow a lot of sharpening, which we probably don't
want. More neutral objects OTOH accept heavy conventional sharpening much
more gracefully, and not just on their edges.
My suggestion is a mask that caters to both--that
allows more sharpening where the image is darker but also restricts it
where the image is colorful. While it is possible to make a convoluted
Action that generates such a mask by a series of blends of the RGB
channels, there's a faster way--make a false separation, and use an
inverted Heavy GCR black as the mask for the RGB sharpening.
Here's the procedure, which of course should be reduced
to an Action to save having to do it over and over.
1) Copy the RGB image.
2) With the copy, Convert to Profile>Custom CMYK.
3) Fill in: Heavy GCR, 70% black ink limit, 340% total
ink. Dot gain is basically not relevant as you can always lighten or darken
the mask after applying it, but I just use the default 20%.
4) Click OK twice to generate the false separation.
5) Command-4 to expose the black channel, and Mode:
Grayscale to discard the CMY channels.
6) Invert the channel with Command-I, yielding a
negative image.
7) Auto Levels.
8) Gaussian Blur, radius 2.0 pixels to eliminate noise
and make for a softer sharpen.
9) Return to the RGB image and create a duplicate
layer. Sharpen conventionally with a very heavy hand--500%, 1.2 pixel
Radius, 3 Threshold might be a good starting point for most images.
10) Add a layer mask. To it, load the artificial black
channel that was made in steps 1-8. This should confine the sharpening to
the desired areas.
11) If you feel the image is not sharp enough, apply a
curve to the mask to lighten its midpoint. If you find the image to be too
sharp, darken the mask in the same way.
Dan Margulis
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "Howard Smith"
Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:28 pm (PST)
Good one, Dan! You should travel to Finland more often.
Could you please post a couple of images that have
shown the superiority of the Black channel mask over a transparency mask?
I've tested a variety of images, including the Woman from your earlier
edition of Professional Photoshop. Your sharpening technique gives superior
results on everything I've tested, but I have yet to see an instance in
which the Black channel mask gives superior results.
Come home soon. It's too quiet around here with you
gone. Only a couple of new posts have appeared since you left.
Howard Smith
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Mark Segal
Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:46 pm (PST)
First a point of clarification: conventional sharpening
does not add focus. Focus concerns the size of circles of confusion caused
by the optical properties of the image capture. Conventional sharpening
adds acutance. Focus and acutance are two well-recognized different aspects
of image appearance. An out-of-focus image cannot be sharpened with a
conventional unsharp mask. . Focus Magic, for example, is an application
(I'm not using) which claims to bring out-of-focus into focus by correcting
several kinds of blur. Photoshop CS3 has apparently adopted some of that
technology as well in the new Smart Sharpen tool, but there is more to
Adobe's new tools as well.
This brings me to the heart of the matter, which is the
existence of these new sharpening tools in Camera Raw, Lightroom or
Photoshop (e.g. Highlights, Shadows, Mask, Fade), aiming to achieve the
objectives underlying the interesting 11 step procedure which Dan lays out.
The new tools in these three applications only require the use of several
sliders and no colour space conversions; hence it would be of considerable
interest to compare Dan's procedure with the new tools in Camera Raw 4.x
(or Lightroom) and Photoshop CS3. I wonder whether Dan has done so himself
already and found the new CR/PS tools lacking relative to his new
procedure. I shall not be testing this - no time just now, and with the
flexibility of the third-party application I'm using, no need. But I shall
retain Dan's procedure on file "just in case". Thanks Dan.
Mark Segal
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "Jim Donovan"
jim@harrispublishing.com
Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:08 pm (PST)
Hi Mark, Don't kid yourself. That statement is akin to
the classic example on page 190 of PP #6 by Dan, machines and some people
will tell you all day the two greens are the same,of course they are not
just look at them.If an image appears clearer,sharper,more contrast than it
was before you started 98% of the world will call it more "in
focus" adding focus or what ever term you want to use is irrelevant.
If it looks more in "focus" it is,why would anyone care if
"focus" is added? Jim Donovan
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "dbernaerdt"
Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:08 pm (PST)
Mark,
Focus (noun): "the centre of interest or
activity" (Oxford English Dictionary)
Having taken both of Dan's courses, I never was under
the impression that Dan was suggesting some "un-doing" of lack of
photographic technique that resulted in the inability focus the lens. I
don't think PP suggests anything different, although I must admit I am
behind on reading the 5th Ed. When he mentions "focus", it might
be helpful to think of it as enhancing the area of importance in the image.
Since the Smart Sharpen filter appeared in CS2, I would
assume that you have had an opportunity to use it on a variety of images.
While it is suitable for some classes of images, don't you find that the
lack of a "threshold" slider is an issue? (I'm guessing that is
the filter you're referring to when you mention the "Highlights"
and "Shadows" sliders.)
Darren Bernaerdt
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "Alessandro Bernardi"
Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:08 pm (PST)
Hello Dan,
it's a pleausre to be back on this forum after several
months and my impression is the same as the first day I subscribed it: oh,
damn I've been missing so many things before this time...!
The Mask sharpening is an interesting technique, I've
tested on few images but in the most it worked very well.
The black channel and its many ways of create it, is a
great element that helps in a lot of color corrections, masking techniques
and even photoretouchs.
In addition to what you've shown, in some images I
tried also to change the values in the "blend if" grayscale
option and this added further control to the sharpening allowing a more
accurate final result. In other cases I made a gaussian blur on the mask
and the result was also interesting.
I would be happen to know if anyone has other
suggestions regarding this.
But I've found that the result is not so good on
critical images (underexposed and grainy images) and even after changing
the luminosity of the mask (the black channel) the image looks not so good
due to its grain. I know that images with a lot of noise are the most
diffcult to sharpen and I thought that this technique could help more than
others but maybe there are some further steps to focus on.
Ciao!
Alessandro Benardi
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Stephen Marsh
Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:52 pm (PST)
Howard Smith wrote:
Come home soon. It's too quiet around here with you
gone. Only a
couple of new posts have appeared since you left.
That was so Howard, currently, the new USM mask method
post by Dan and the replies are going as expected - while the following
earlier post has remained ignored, except for one reply:
http:
//tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/colortheory/message/18612
Ric brings up some very good questions on converting to
CMYK, where the thread could easily head into half a dozen separate
discussions of great relevance and importance to many on this list (unless
Ric and myself are the only two members still interested in discussing
CMYK, I presume that Ric is still waiting for more replies before
responding).
Stephen Marsh.
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Mark Segal
Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:25 pm (PST)
Hi Jim,
I won't kid myself - promise. And I don't want to make
a big deal of this point, but I guess it's a compliment to Dan that he
isn't 98% of the world - he's one of the top professionals in his peer
group, so naturally I get surprised when I don't see accurate technical
terminology being used on a technical forum - but OK, let's carry on and
assume Dan means acutance and the picture "looks sharper" with
greater acutance than without it, provided it isn't out of focus to begin
with :-). So with that out of the way of course an important question is
how this procedure compares with the new sharpening algorithms in CS3. I'd
be interested in anyone's observations about that. One of these days I'd
like to test it comparatively, but doing this correctly and thoroughly is a
big job - needs lots of time - and focus!
Mark Segal
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Moderation Notice - Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Stephen Marsh
Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:19 am (PST)
Moderation Notice - Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Dear members, the moderators have made a decision to
manage this topic and new posts regarding what specific words should be
used in describing sharpening will no longer be accepted. The moderators
will not be accepting ACR/ALR vs Photoshop sharpening discussions at this
time (as per Dan's message closing the last ACR thread). Posts discussing
the pros/cons of the method are valid for discussion.
We currently have 11 messages in this thread, eight
previously approved and three waiting for approval (with two being rejected
that never made it to the list for a total of 13 messages so far).
I am appending the final 3 posts currently awaiting
approval to the foot of this message.
The break up of the 13 messages is as below:
1. Original post by Dan Margulis. (21st September
2007).
2. On topic reply from Howard Smith (22nd September
2007).
3. Reply from Mark Segal. This post was considered
worthy of a negative reply by 5 members, that all had similar things to say
to Mark in regards to his OP. Three were allowed to comment as is (the
other two were asked to reword their rejected post (22nd September 2007).
4. Jim Donovan's reply to Mark Segal. (23rd September
2007).
5. Reply from Stephen Marsh to Howard Smith reminding
the list of another earlier topic on Perceptual CMYK conversions that could
do with more discussion. (23rd September 2007).
6. Reply from Darren Bernaerdt to Mark Segal (23rd
September 2007).
7. Reply from Alessandro Bernardi to Dan Margulis.
(23rd September 2007).
8. Mark Segal's reply to Jim Donovan (23rd September
2007).
9. Mark Segal's reply to Darren Bernaerdt (23rd
September 2007, see below).
10. Richard Wagner's post (23rd September 2007, see
below).
11. Jonathan Clymer's reply to Mark Segal's OP. (23rd
September 2007, see below).
In summary, we have had five negative replies to Mark's
criticism of Dan's post. Mark has replied to both Jim and Darren. The
moderators feel that all parties concerned (apart from Dan who is away)
have stated their position and feelings on the matter and that there is no
benefit of further on-list discussion of these matters, please take the
discussion off-list if you wish to continue it.
The moderators look forward to approving on topic posts
discussing the applied theory of sharpening through a K channel mask, or
with other comparable methods in Photoshop.
Respectfully,
Stephen Marsh.
List Moderator.
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From: "Mark Segal"
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:09 pm
Subject: Re: [colortheory] Re: A New Sharpening Mask
Darren,
You've hit on an important distinction in your first
para below the Oxford
Dictionary. Well, you're two up on me because I haven't
taken either
of Dan's
courses. I just read the books. "Enhancing the
area of importance in
the image"
as you put it - maybe you are thinking of local
contrast enhancement -
high
radius low amount? That does what it says - enhances
local contrast,
using the
unsharp mask as the tool alright - but it isn't
"sharpening" if one
means by
that improving the overall appearance of edge sharpness
by gently
enhancing
acutance without seeing much change in the overall
contrast of the
image. I
assume we understand HEIRLOAM creates a more contrasted
image
appearance than
"conventional sharpening" does.
Re your last para, I haven't made much use of Smart
Sharpen because I
use PK
Sharpener Pro, designed for flexible treatment of a
wide range of
capture types,
output types and image conditions, using combinations
of tools (and
settings)
all within Photoshop. For clarity, when I referred to
Smart Sharpen I was
thinking of the presentation in CS3 (which appears to
be the same as
that in
CS2), where if you select the Advanced radio button,
you get three
tabs, one of
which is highlights and another shadows; and they allow
one to shape the
tonality of the light and dark contours, with the user
determining the
split
between the two. Perhaps Adobe figured that between
these more refined
controls
and the Fade slider which controls the extent of the
sharpening they
didn't need
Threshold as well. However, Ben Willmore, who provides
a very lucid
discussion
of Smart Sharpen in his "Up to Speed Photoshop
CS2", also regrets not
having a
Threshold control. But Bruce Fraser, in his Image
Sharpening book is
very much
less enthusiastic about the usefulness of the Threshold
control (page
112) and
by the time you get to page 122, he wasn't too
satisfied with the
amount of
control achievable with Smart Sharpen either. I, like
many of us I
think, have
tried numerous approaches and plugins. I settled on
what I am using
now, with
much satisfaction. It is good that Dan has developed a
new procedure,
and in
light of the existing literature and toolsets, I think
it deserves
comparative
testing, which is a very considerable task when you get
down to
thinking about
what it would involve.
Mark Segal
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From: Richard Wagner
<Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [colortheory] A New Sharpening Mask Idea
On Friday, September 21, 2007 5:05 PM, Jim Donovan
wrote:
> If an
> image appears clearer,sharper,more contrast than
it was before you
> started
> 98% of the world will call it more "in
focus" adding focus or what
> ever term
> you want to use is irrelevant. If it looks more in
"focus" it
> is,why would
> anyone care if "focus" is added? Jim
Donovan
Well, presumably the audience here is not "98% of
the world," but
rather imaging professionals. If we all start misusing
terminology
there will be utter confusion. Adding contrast or edge
sharpening is
not the same as "adding focus." There is a
long, historic misuse of
standard imaging terminology on this List. That is
unfortunate for
those just starting out, who don't recognize the
problem. It is
hardly "irrelevant."
--Rich Wagner
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From: "new_news"
<new_news@patmedia.net>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
>>>First a point of clarification:
conventional sharpening does not
add focus.
Focus concerns the size of circles of confusion caused
by the optical
properties
of the image capture. Conventional sharpening adds
acutance.
Oh give me a BREAK! Is there anyone on this list that
didn't know the
difference
and didn't know what Dan meant? And he is not the only
expert who uses
the term
"focus" this way (I can cite examples) so
it's not unique to him.
Perhaps you should visit all the printers in the US to
tell the
pressmen to stop
using the term RED when they are actually using magenta
ink!
Jonathan Clymer
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "Iliah Borg"
Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:07 am (PST)
Dear All,
Here is an action attempting to implement the procedure
Dan describes.
http:
//www.pochtar.com/DanMargulis_RGB_Sharpen_K_mask.zip
I found USM Radius settings [0.7..1.5] to be useful
depending on the image. On the sharpened layer I used Blend If sliders as
usual for me to exclude extreme highlights and shadows from sharpening.
Depending on the amount of noise in the image it seems useful to adjust
shadow limiting sliders further.
Iliah Borg
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "Iliah Borg"
Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:08 am (PST)
Dear All,
There is a lot of talk over the internet what is the
place of the sharpening method Dan suggested: is it "capture"
sharpening, "creative" sharpening, or output-oriented sharpening.
I think it is good to mention that "capture" sharpening applied
after the demosaicing is a crunch (not only my opinion, at least three
other teams coding raw converters will tell you about the same, this
includes Bibble and Nikon Capture Teams).
Demosaicing of unsharp and un-deconvoluted images
"burns into the image" the effect of anti-aliasing filter and
other smearing factors present in the optical and electronic paths in
cameras; and leads to misdirection of demosaicing gradients resulting in
artefacts, one of the types being worm-like structures (digital
reticulation) you can see here (ACR conversion, view at 200%):
http://www.pbase.com/image/85092804.jpg
The above is far from being the worst case because the
area in question is bright and close to neutral; and the image is taken in
the daylight; that is the exposure of all channels is more or less uniform.
That is, demosaicing can find a lot of information in each pixel under the
colour filter array. This is not always the case.
Sharpening applied to such structures after the
demosaicing makes them worse and visible on a normal-size print.
If I need to apply pixel-level sharpening after
demosaicing (that is what some call "capture sharpening") it is
0.3-0.4 radius, 350-450%, zero threshold, L channel extracted to a separate
document and sharpening applied in 32-bit mode (floating point in
Photoshop). After applying sharpening I compensate gamma via
"Exposure" adjustment and place the sharpened channel as a
separate layer into the original document.
It is often that I need to direct sharpening into
darker areas of an image where the noise appears blotchy. Pixel-level
sharpening helps dissolving noise into finer structures that appear more
like film grain ("hiding leaves in a forest"). Radius for such
sharpening usually can be 0.4 to 0.6.
--
Best regards,
Iliah Borg
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "MARK SEGAL"
Mon Oct 1, 2007 8:39 pm (PST)
Iliah,
I use a Canon 1Ds, real good camera but sensor
technology a bit old by the digital standards of today, I process my raw
files in Adobe Camera Raw 4.x without sharpening and apply PK Capture
Sharpen after rendering the image into Photoshop. Then I make any other
necessary adjustments under soft-proof and apply Output Sharpen before
printing. I have been satisfied with the image quality from these
procedures and I am receiving very positive feedback from critical/expert
people who see what I print. However, coming from you, and given what you
have written below, I got a bit scared, asked myself whether this could
really be happening right under my eyes, so I opened some raw files I
hadn't adjusted yet, converted them doing NOTHING in the raw converter,
pumped them up to 200% and looked closely for these worm-like artifacts (or
other such animals) on my colour-managed LaCie 321 display, in both dark
and lighter areas of the images, and frankly I couldn't find any. That was
a relief. Then I applied PK Capture Sharpen to them in default mode to see
whether this sharpening, viewed again at 200%, would bring out such
artifacts; much to my relief, it didn't. By the way, a 200% zoom of a Canon
1Ds file is equivalent to a mighty big print. Bottom line, I'm pleased to
report I can't replicate your findings in my workflow.
Mark Segal
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "Andrew S. Webb"
Mon Oct 1, 2007 8:39 pm (PST)
Thanks, Iliah, I've been wondering exactly what that
was. It's sort of organic looking, which obviously can't be right, though
it depends on how analog the digital artefacts are, if you see what I mean.
Cheers,
/andrew webb
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Dan Margulis
Sun Oct 7, 2007 7:33 am (PST)
Howard writes,
Could you please post a couple of images that have
shown the superiority of
the Black channel mask over a transparency mask? I've
tested a variety of
images, including the Woman from your earlier edition
of Professional
Photoshop. Your sharpening technique gives superior
results on everything
I've tested, but I have yet to see an instance in which
the Black channel
mask gives superior results.
I do not know what you mean by "transparency
mask". What I was suggesting was an *adjunct* to current sharpening
methods, not a replacement. As I indicated, it's speculative at this
point--I'm pretty sure that the *concept* is correct but the execution that
I suggested can probably be improved upon. Because testing it fully would
take a great deal of time, and because the improvements would be visible
but not spectacular, I don't foresee being able to take this much further
myself, so I threw it out to the group for consideration.
I have observed that the more colorful the object, the
less amenable it is to accepting sharpening. The most obvious example I can
think of recently: I've just been through the Utah national parks. In Bryce
Canyon and Grand Canyon, there are areas where the rocks go from nearly
neutral to strongly colored. There's no difference in darkness or in
texture, just color. And even when light halos are properly lessened, the
colored areas don't take the sharpening as well as the more neutral ones.
Here's why this might be true.
I believe that almost everyone now accepts the basic
theory of color correction that I have been laying out since the early
1990s--that the objective of manipulating the file is to produce something
more like what the viewer recalls seeing and less like what a camera or
other artificial instrument saw. That's the whole theory behind balancing
highlights and shadows (compensating for the human phenomenon of chromatic
adaptation, which a camera lacks). It's the whole reason that LAB
correction is often successful where other methods are not (introduction of
color variation that mimics the human phenomenon of simultaneous contrast).
It's why we retouch nasty reflections out of faces (imitation of the human
phenomenon of filtering out bright flashes of light). We desaturate
backgrounds (imitation of the human phenomenon of losing color perception
in areas of little interest). And on and on.
Unfortunately for this philosophy, the human visual
system is astonishingly complex. It processes a huge amount of information
in ways that would overwhelm the most powerful of today's computers, even
if we fully understood it, which we are far from doing. Scientists have
identified more than a dozen ways in which human perception significantly
varies from that of an artificial instrument. Catering to these is one of
the keys to successful color reproduction.
Almost all of these effects bear on survival. We (or at
least our prehistoric ancestors who were around when the human visual
system evolved) need to be able to identify things that are potentially
good to eat. More importantly, we need to identify other animals that may
think that WE are potentially a good thing to eat, and we need to do so
very, very quickly.
All of the phenomena listed above bear on the need to
make rapid evaluation and identification of the objects that may confront
us. When we recognize the color of something edible, we don't want to be
distracted by lighting conditions, hence chromatic adaptation. When
something is camouflaged in the forest among similar colors, we want to be
able to see it, hence simultaneous contrast. If a predator jumps at us out
of the sun, we want to be able to see it, hence our rejection of bright
light.
Since the time of Chevreul in the 1830s, we have known
that the human visual system intensifies certain colors because of the
phenomenon of simultaneous contrast, thus aiding us in identifying
immediately what is before us. Being able to identify things by color makes
it less necessary to identify them by detail. If the human visual system
can in effect say "this is a flower, we don't need full definition of
its detail, or, this is a butterfly, it is not a threat to us and we don't
need to study it closely" it can devote more of its resources to
resolving detail in more neutral objects faster. A complicated scenario?
Yes. But hardly the most amazing thing that the human visual system does.
Dangerous animals don't like to advertise their presence with bright
colors. It's reasonable, if not proven, to think that a way of
subconsciously emphasizing focus in tones where these animals are likely to
be found may have evolved.
That speculation, if correct, accounts for why hiraloam
sharpening doesn't seem to be as strongly favored by this method as
conventional USM is: we are programmed (so I imagine) to ignore fine detail
in colored objects to some extent, but we can still see large variations in
shape, such as hiraloam halos. It also explains why whenever in literature
a character encounters a potentially dangerous animal, there is likely to
be a description of how sharply focused the scene becomes and how
everything besides the animal is ignored.
This has an impact on color correction. We are always
trying to get the maximum sharpen that doesn't cause the image to fall
apart. Unfortunately, that forces us to sharpen for the weakest link--for
the area that breaks first, which is commonly a colored area. It means that
we can't sharpen the more neutral areas as much as we'd like. That's why
it's so often better to sharpen the two weak channels in CMYK, but we don't
have that move available in RGB. If we have a way of slightly protecting
the colored areas, without excluding them entirely, then we should be able
to be more accurate in the neutrals.
I've tested this as follows: on a top layer, create a
sharpened version of the original (remember, conventional narrow-radius
sharpening only) using whatever method you like. Leave it somewhat
oversharpened so that ordinarily you might want to reduce the opacity of
the layer to 90% or so.
Instead, from a copy of the bottom layer, generate a
blurred saturation mask and load it as the layer mask on the top layer of
the original file. That cuts down on the sharpening of the colored areas
and may make it possible to retain 100% opacity on the top layer.
From my limited testing, this always makes for a better
result--if you look hard enough. The problem is that sometimes the gain is
so small that it's almost invisible. I do not currently think that such an
approach would be worth the bother.
My suggestion of using a layer mask based on a heavy
black channel is, I think, more promising because of the mask's luminosity
component, which allows us to target the desired sharpening area very
precisely. Because the mask has been blurred, there is no harm in applying
curves to it in a random shape. In principle, we want to sharpen more as
the image gets darker; usually the main target of sharpening falls in the
midtone- to three-quartertone range, occasionally as light as a
quartertone. But if for some reason we want to sharpen the quartertones as
much as the three-quartertones--or even * more* than the
three-quartertones, there's no sweat with the mask--you just apply a curve
to it that flattens the range between them, or even apply a curve in the
shape of the letter N if you want more sharpening in the quartertone than
in the three-quartertone.
Again, this doesn't *replace* other techniques.
Generally when we sharpen overall in RGB we want to restrict the lightening
effect throughout; the method I recommend ordinarily is to do a heavy
sharpen on the top layer, which is set to Luminosity mode then apply the
bottom layer to the top at 50% opacity, Darken or Darker Color mode. With
this method the darkening isn't needed as much but it's still needed--I
usually cut it to about 35%. Since everything is by Action, it takes
seconds to get to this point and the result is going to be passable.
The final step (if there's time) is to see what areas,
if any, we want to emphasize or deemphasize. We click into the mask curve
in any points that we want to emphasize, and lighten them, and darken any
that we want to de- emphasize.
Iliah's Action, I note, also includes Blend If sliders
to restrict the sharpening in the lightest and darkest areas of the image.
There's certainly no law against doing that if it makes the image look
better, but I question whether they're really necessary. Because the mask
is based on inverted luminosity, sharpening of the lightest areas is
already seriously restricted. As for the darkest areas, sometimes they can
be sharpened effectively but sometimes we encounter excessive noise. If
that's the case, applying a U-shaped curve to the layer mask is likely at
least as effective as Blend If.
The suggested mask is useful because it is prejudiced
against allowing sharpening of colored areas, which makes it better IMHO
than a mask based solely on inverted luminosity. But, somebody can probably
work out a mask that would be even better. It's a work in progress, so I'd
be interested in hearing from those who have given it a workout.
Dan Margulis
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "Iliah Borg"
Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:18 am (PST)
Dear All,
The second version of the action with Blend If sliders
adjusted based on more images put through the method; some comments also
added:
http:
//www.pochtar.com/DanMargulis_RGB_Sharpen_K_mask_v2.zip
Total feedback - 117 e-mails. Most used the method for
output sharpening while softproofing. Radius variations mostly are in the
range of 0.9 to 1.4. Typical successful applications - landscapes, some
shots in a zoo, portraits. Most users asked to thank Dan for the
suggestion. Few are asking if it is possible to improve the mask by
combining it with "true" saturation mask. Several times I was
asked how Luminance differs from L (or why not to use RGB sharpening and
Fade to Luminosity). The answer obviously is "it depends" :) IMHO
understanding of the difference may be beneficial when choosing how to
sharpen.
In both images L is to the right:
http://www.pochtar.com/L2Luma.jpg
Command-Option-1/Control-Alt-1
http://www.pochtar.com/L2Luma2.jpg
Command-Option-~/Control-Alt-~ (~ is "tilde")
Histograms for comparison
http://www.pochtar.com/L.vs.LumaHistograms.jpg
Some negative comments (9 in total) are along the lines
- why do we need yet another sharpening method when we already have PK
Sharpener, FocusMagic, FocalBlade, and SmartSharpen.
More then 45000 downloads as of the time of writing.
--
Best regards,
Iliah Borg
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Andy Adams
Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:48 am (PST)
It has been a long while since I have responded to this
group. It seems being over-worked (aka “burn-out”), death in
family, etc., can make a person view color-corrections as much less
important than was previously thought. Never-the-less, as I come back
around to my love for good color, I took note of the comment below;
Some negative comments (9 in total) are along the lines
- why do we
need yet another sharpening method when we already have
PK Sharpener,
FocusMagic, FocalBlade, and SmartSharpen.
More then 45000 downloads as of the time of writing.
The above programs are valuable (some more than
others), but I enjoy knowing the “whys” and “hows”
of sharpening (maybe that is why I enjoy Dan’s in-depth reasons for
what he does). That way I can construct my own way of sharpening the photo
based on what I understand (instead of putting all my trust in a program
that will sharpen the photo for me - somehow). The more I understand the
better the end results. That is why I welcome any new sharpening method,
and the methodology behind it.
If my own “ultimate workflow” contains a
combination of several sharpening tweaks, so be it - bring on more!
Personally, I try to think of photos as paintings (as others has suggested
we do) on which I can build a corrected 3-D image out of the supplied 2-D
image. For me, the various sharpening methods help me do this.
Andy Adams
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Howard Smith
Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:29 pm (PST)
Andy,
You've summarized my own reasons for not using third
party plug-ins. As useful as they might be, they don't exactly contribute
to creative thinking. All the effort spent trying to come up with methods
that are at least almost as good as the plug-ins has been well worth the
time for me. And of course there is also the obvious beneift that you
mentioned about how it's helpful to know what is going on when you use any
tool. Of course anyone working on a tight schedule with the need for fast
results will value plug-ins if for no other reasons than economic.
There is probably some new tool or technique yet to be
developed that will make Photoshop accessible to all of us, with the result
that even beginners will be able to do professional work with very little
training. Such a comment on my part is almost sure to elicit a barrage of
angry retorts, but-let's face it-progess is inevitable. Things we couldn't
envision 10 years ago are now being utilized by young students who simply
take all of the technology for granted.
The only thing about such a new tool or technique that
bothers me is the possibility that it will stifle creativity instead of
supporting it. But then that kind of fear is common in all fields of
advancing knowledge, even though the reality is that the progress almost
always benefits more people than it hurts. Every new development that
eliminates jobs somehow manages to create even more in another direction.
Howard Smith
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Howard Smith
Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:30 pm (PST)
Dan,
My post may have sounded like a challenge (we get those
too frequently), but it was only a request for clarification. You have
pointed out on several occasions that little things can make a big
difference. I thought there might be some images where the Black channel
mask might be superior.
What I referred to as a transparency mask, which may
well be incorrect terminology, is a layer mask prepared from a selection
made from the composite channel.
Apparently there are variety of masking techniques that
can be a great help in sharpening among other things. It's something we all
need to consider more thoroughly. Your original post contained a
considerable amount of material for exploration. Thanks for taking the time
to share all your ideas.
Howard Smith
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "MARK SEGAL"
Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:25 pm (PST)
Howard,
New technology that solves mechanical problems in newer
and better ways and works more efficiently liberates us to spend more time
being creative. I'm a fim believer in the theory of comparatived advantage.
It has served the progress of human-kind very well.
Mark Segal
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Dans new sharpening method_in Lab
Posted by: Andy Adams
Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:32 pm (PST)
Dan wrote;
I wrote about why darker areas accept sharpening
better than lighter ones as early as 1994. Since then,
I’ve realized a corollary--in addition to
lightness, a
strong color is an argument against sharpening. We
don’t like to oversharpen skies, the petals of
flowers, and human skin, for example. Inverted
luminosity masks don’t take account of this
effect. A
deep red rose is a fairly dark object, so an inverted
luminosity mask would allow a lot of sharpening, which
we probably don’t want. More neutral objects OTOH
accept heavy conventional sharpening much more
gracefully, and not just on their edges.
My suggestion is a mask that caters to both--that
allows more sharpening where the image is darker but also restricts it
where the image is colorful. While it is possible to make a convoluted
Action that generates such a mask by a series of blends of the RGB
channels, there’s a faster way--make a false separation, and use an
inverted Heavy GCR black as the mask for the RGB sharpening.
Based on the principles above for RGB files, I have
done the following in Lab and feel it produces better results. I would
appreciate any comments.
1) With an Lab file I follow the above steps 1-8.
2) In Step 9, I am (of course) only sharpening the
“L” channel.
3) I finish steps 10 and 11. The comment in the
paragraph after step 11 is accomplished by lowering the opacity of the
sharpened layer to 65%-70%.
Dan wrote, “a strong color is an argument against
sharpening”. But what about hiraloam sharpening? So, I do the
following;
4) I option>merge to create a 3rd layer and add a
layer mask filled with same mask as the 2nd layer - but inverted, blurred
another 2 pixels, and opened up with curves (50>35) in order to include
some of the “less colorful” areas in the transition.
5) Apply hiraloam sharpening to the “L”
channel and adjust opacity to taste.
I accomplish the above with a series of actions with
pauses.
Andy Adams
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "Ron Kelly"
Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:35 pm (PST)
Mark:
Something is gained, and something lost. Which is more
important?
Speed dial is great, but what about the time when you
really need to know a number that you use often, but you don't have that
crutch?
Just for the record, I'm firmly against progress.
Ron Kelly
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: "MARK SEGAL"
Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:41 am (PST)
Ron,
Starting from the message of Howard's to which I
responded, I think this thread started to drift outside the bounds that
were set for it, and I know there is limited tolerance for discussion of
plug-ins on this List, so I'll be very brief in answering your questions
and leave this tangent thereafter. My basic philosophy is that high quality
plugins qualify every bit as much - and often more so - as viable solutions
to the imaging factors they were designed to address. They aren't a crutch,
they aren't a substitute for knowing what you are doing, they are part of
the arsenal, and they are comparators of equivalent value to any other
usage of Photoshop for achieving similar objectives.
Mark Segal
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Ghosting Images
Posted by: Andy Adams
Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:40 pm (PST)
I was going over some old notes about ghosting images.
If a customer asks us to cutback an image down to 20%,
my notes say to cutback (using curves) the black to 0% and the CMY to 30%
(10% above what is asked), instead of just moving all four colors to 20%.
But my notes also refer to a better way, something about re-seperating the
file so that when you cutback the file (again cutback all black and CMY to
30%) it will be more colorful.
The problem is, my notes are vague about the
re-seperation settings. Any thoughts?
Andy Adams
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Re: A New Sharpening Mask Idea
Posted by: Dan Margulis
Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:43 pm (PST)
Howard writes,
What I referred to as a transparency mask, which may
well be incorrect
terminology, is a layer mask prepared from a selection
made from the
composite channel.
I was not familiar with this term. I'm more familiar
with "inverted luminosity mask" to describe what you're
suggesting. By loading the composite channel, you're forcing Photoshop to
convert to grayscale, and then loading that grayscale image, which you
arethen presumably inverting and blurring slightly.
Provided you are comfortable with editing the layer
mask, this is a powerful way to sharpen and shares most of the
functionality of using an inverted black channel. Either is useful for
quick and dirty sharpening because they both avoid excessive sharpening of
light areas.
The main differences between the two are:
1) Dark, yet colorful, areas, such as the blue and red
parts of the flags of Australia, Canada, the UK, and the US, get a lot of
sharpening through an inverted luminosity mask but little with an inverted
black mask.
2) Relatively pure pastel colors, such as skies and
light flowers, have sharpening reduced by an inverted luminosity mask but
get almost no sharpening at all through an inverted black mask.
These two differences are pretty minor, IMHO--in most
cases easily controllable through editing the layer mask. I would have a
mild preference for the black mask, but either can work well.
Dan Margulis
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Re: Dans new sharpening method_in Lab
Posted by: Dan Margulis
Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:50 am (PST)
Andy Adams writes,
Based on the principles above for RGB files, I have
done the following in Lab and feel it produces better
results. I would appreciate any comments.
Sharpening this way in LAB can indeed be
"better" than RGB/Luminosity, but it's the kind of better where
if a person holds a gun to your head and tells you to choose the better
one, you can do it if you look hard enough, but otherwise you're unlikely
to notice.
A LAB sharpen will produce less noise in the
three-quartertone and shadow areas, but it seems easy to control through
the layer mask.
When sharpening without a mask, I've stated in my books
that around half the time one can't even tell the difference between
sharpening LAB and RGB/ Luminosity without looking at magnified channels.
Most of the rest of the time the LAB advantage is small. About the only
time it becomes significant is when the lighter of two edges is of a light
pastel color, which can be lost in RGB/Luminosity mode but is preserved in
LAB.
For these reasons, my general sharpening recommendation
is (assuming not doing channel-sharpening in CMYK) do it in LAB if
convenient, but it isn't worth the bother to make a special trip to LAB for
sharpening. I believe that recommendation holds for this mask also.
4) I option>merge to create a 3rd layer and add a
layer mask filled with same mask as the 2nd layer -
but inverted, blurred another 2 pixels, and opened up
with curves (50>35) in order to include some of the
"less colorful" areas in the transition.
5) Apply hiraloam sharpening to the "L"
channel and
adjust opacity to taste.
I accomplish the above with a series of actions with
pauses.
This brings up the philosophical question of whether
hiraloam and conventional sharpening are friends or foes. The above method,
and also PP5E, suggests that where conventional sharpening is strong we
should be careful about adding too much hiraloam. This implies use of a
layer mask to blend the two methods, as above. OTOH, I've also gotten good
results by just ignoring the conventional sharpen and applying hiraloam
maskless.
One way or the other, though, I'd add steps to the
action as follows:
First, AFAIK it's never useful to sharpen the AB
channels conventionally--they're way too noisy, and don't help define edges
in any case. But in hiraloam, as I discovered *after* PP5E was published,
sharpening the AB can help a good deal. In certain cases I sharpen the AB
more than the L.
Second, I thought that because hiraloam doesn't make
ugly white halos the way that careless conventional sharpening can, it
isn't necessary to restrict the lightening function as we usually do in
conventional USM. Aesthetically, I now know, the darkening effect of
hiraloam is just about invariably more pleasing than the lightening effect.
So, I'd add the following steps to any hiraloam action
regardless of whether it uses a layer mask:
First, rather than sharpen the L only, I'd sharpen the
LAB, on a separate layer of course. I'd use 100% Amount, which is
definitely too high, intending to reduce to taste later.
Second, I'd blend the L channel from the lower layer
into the L of the upper layer, Darken mode, 50% opacity, to reduce the
lightening effect of the hiraloam sharpen.
Third, I'd set the top layer to Luminosity mode and
adjust opacity to taste.
Fourth, I'd duplicate the top layer, reset it to Color
mode, and see whether I'd like to reduce or increase the opacity chosen in
the third step.
Dan Margulis
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Re: Dans new sharpening method_in Lab
Posted by: Andy Adams
Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:20 pm (PST)
Dan,
I appreciate the improved approach. Thanks for taking
the time.
Andy Adams