Dan Margulis Applied Color Theory
Harsh Sunlight and Shadows
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:26:18 -0000
From: "jeremyschultz"
Subject: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
A client has a photo of 5 people, shot outdoors with
harsh sunlight on the subjects creating bad shadows and highlights. She
wondered if it's possible to fix the bad lighting, and since I've never
been challenged with such a problem I thought I'd post and see if anyone
has developed some techniques to soften such shadows and highlights.
Thanks in advance!
Jeremy Schultz
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:45:36 -0600
From: Les De Moss
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
Difficult to say without seeing the image. It depends
on the level of detail that exists in those areas. Post if possible and
provide a link for viewing.
Les De Moss
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:01:16 +0100
From: Andrew Haley
Subject: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
First try, in Photoshop CS,
Image>Adjust>Shadow/Highlights. It requently works magic in
situations like this.
Andrew.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:36:16 -0500
From: "drhobbes"
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
This kind of situation is probably best handled with
the aid of channel masking. Make duplicate images and convert one to
CMYK, the other to RGB. Look at the channels in both images. You're
probably correcting in RGB, so you probably should look at a CMYK channel
that is dark in the areas of the subject that contain shadow detail.
Adjust a duplicate of this channel with Levels or Curves to darken
the darks and lighten the lights. Now it's suitable for use as a
mask. Make a selection from the modified channel and move it to your
RGB file. Make the selection active. Duplicate the RGB layer
and choose Layer>Add Layer Mask>Show Selection. Change the top
layer's blending mode to Multiply and adjust the opacity to get more detail
in the highlights (if there is any detail; if not, you're out of luck).
Repeat this process to lighten the shadows, but this time use Screen mode.
What you want to do, essentially, is use channel
masking to isolate the problem areas. To darken the washed out areas,
you blend the layer with its duplicate, through a channel mask, using
Multiply to darken the washed-out detail. To lighten the shadows, you
do essentially the reverse by choosing Screen mode.
Depending on the quality of the image, this may or not
work. But it's worth a try unless something better is suggested.
Let us know how you ultimately solve the problem, again
presuming that there is enough detail in the image to work with.
Sometimes you can create something from nothing, but it's probably
not worth trying unless this is an extremely valuable photo.
Howard Smith
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:50:25 -0400
From: Jim Rich
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
Howard has some good advice , but as a rule of thumb I
always try to use a Snapshot in conjunction with Curves for painting in
image details before going to a mask. If the Snapshot does not work
or I need more repeatability then I go to a channel mask.
My.02
Jim Rich
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:12:05 -0700
From: "J Walton"
Subject: RE: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
I do this type of correction all the time. Post
an FTP link for the group, or email me privately with a JPEG attachment.
J
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:17:27 EDT
From: Dan Margulis
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
This question anticipates my September column, which
introduces a very powerful method of dealing with this situation. Everybody
is familiar with the basic scenario, which is that when confronted with
something that's partially in bright sunlight and partially in shadow, the
human visual system sees a far more balanced scene than the camera does.
We've had three good suggestions so far. First, the
idea of using a channel mask works well sometimes but it often reduces
contrast unnecessarily. A lot of what we perceive as highlight detail
actually is not a highlight at all, but a quartertone or higher in the in
the middle of a highlight area. So, the mask doesn't fully select it, and
the true highlight will be darkened more than the detail it contains,
flattening the overall look.
Second, painting in the detail via a snapshot or a
layer mask works well provided there is a relatively small interest area to
deal with. When there are several such areas in the image, it takes a long
time and often looks unnatural.
Third, the Shadow/Highlight command of Photoshop CS is
a big help. Properly used (which many people don't do), it's normally the
easiest way of getting a reasonably good result, but it isn't as flexible
as the following procedure, which takes longer but sometimes gives a much
better result. I've been giving the method a workout and those taking the
advanced course in November will get a full view of what it does.
1) Make a Luminosity selection, with Command-Option-~
or by command-clicking on the composite RGB icon in the channels palette.
NOTE: as you get accustomed to this method, you will find when there are
better options than this. For example, in this fleshtone image, making a
selection based on the red channel (Command-Option-1) will probably work
better, but a luminosity selection will work.
2) Select>Save Selection as a new channel (or, if
you prefer, a new document).
3) Working on the new channel, sometimes a curve can be
applied at this point, but it will work without it.
4) Working on the new channel, apply a BIG Gaussian
blur--enough to wipe out all highlight detail. This is usually in the 10-20
pixel range. In faces, you should see only the outline of the head, and the
eyes, everything else should be blurred out.
5) Invert the channel to make it a negative image.
6) Return to the composite RGB and make a duplicate
layer.
7) On the top layer, Image>Apply Image>the New
Channel>Overlay mode.
8) This will definitely add bite to the highlights. If
you also like what it's doing to the shadows, you can now adjust the
opacity of the top layer if need be, and you're done.
9) If you are happy with what's happening with the
highlights but not with the shadows, change the top layer mode to Darken.
Then, if a shadow adjustment is in order, you'll have to make a third layer
and go through the process again, making sure that the blur in step 4 wipes
out shadow detail, setting the third layer to Lighten, and altering its
opacity as necessary.
10) After flattening the image, the highlights will now
be full of contrast but probably a bit dark, and the shadows may be a bit
light. So, apply a curve to restore full range.
Dan Margulis
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:17:36 +0100
From: "Bob Frost"
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
Dan,
Forgive my relative ignorance, but how does your method
differ from simply duplicating the main image layer,
desaturating/blurring/inverting the duplicate layer, and then blending with
overlay?
I probably don't fully understand the significance of
the luminosity selection and using Apply Image.
Enlightenment needed!
Bob Frost.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:59:41 -0500
From: Jeremy Schultz
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
Thanks for all your ideas. I tested Dan1s out and it
works pretty well. Here1s one I played with during my trials:
(1) Correcting in RGB, I created a CMYK duplicate.
(2) In the RGB document, I used Apply
Image->Black->Soft Light, 100%
(3) Then I discarded my CMYK doc and made another CMYK
doc from the current RGB doc.
(4) In the RGB document, I used Apply
Image->Magenta->Soft Light, 100%, inverted. Similar results to Dan1s
technique, though I don1t have it here to compare....
In the end I wasn1t satisfied enough with any of these
so the client gave me a different photo (shot under deep shade, which
obviously has its own problems!) and was very understanding about it. I1m
posting the light/dark photo in the photos section of the group. Some of
these faces have nothing but blasted highlights and total shadow, and to
get rid of that contrast completely and recreate professional lighting
conditions is probably a larger task.
Jeremy Schultz ARTIST
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West Des Moines, Iowa 50265
USA
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:20:18 EDT
From: Dan Margulis
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
Bob Frost writes,
Dan, Forgive my relative ignorance, but how does your
method differ from
simply duplicating the main image layer,
desaturating/blurring/inverting the
duplicate layer, and then blending with overlay?
The two do much the same thing but using a single
channel is technically superior.
The problem with using all three channels for the
overlay is not in the pure highlights and shadows, but in colored areas.
Anyplace that at least one channel is >50% and at least one other is
<50%, the color will be neutralized to some extent because the light
channel(s) will darken and the dark one(s) lighten. There will also be a
small loss of detail. Using a single channel as the overlay always moves
all channels in the same direction and usually results in deeper, more
pleasing colors, particularly in the near-shadows.
Also, you would need at least one extra layer for a
three-channel method. The strength of Apply Image is that one can apply in
Overlay mode but set the layer to some other mode (normally Darken or
Lighten).
Plus, for those who get comfortable with the technique,
it's often better to take a specific channel rather than just luminosity,
and sometimes a curve is needed after the selection is saved. This would be
more difficult in a three-channel overlay.
Dan Margulis
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:57:09 +0100
From: "Bob Frost"
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
Dan,
Many thanks for an excellent explanation.
Bob Frost.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:31:52 -0400
From: Lanny Lathem
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
on 6/18/04 7:59 AM, Jeremy Schultz Artist wrote:
In the end I wasn1t satisfied enough with any of
these so the client gave me
a different photo (shot under deep shade, which
obviously has its own
problems!) and was very understanding about it.
I1m posting the light/dark
photo in the photos section of the group. Some of
these faces have nothing
but blasted highlights and total shadow, and to
get rid of that contrast
completely and recreate professional lighting
conditions is probably a
larger task.
In the past, I've scanned a 35mm twice: setting up once
to fix the 'over exposed' portions and setting up again for the 'in the
shade' sections. I then combined the two in photoshop and got a really nice
result. Of course this is not a photoshop solution per se without a
re-scan. It did render a REALLY nice result though if you have the option
to do a new scan. And of course a digital photo negates this workflow.
:-)
Lanny Lathem
Bennett Graphics
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:19:23 -0400
From: "Iliah Borg"
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
And of course a digital photo negates this
workflow. :-)
Not exectly, if RAW file is available. I use 2 renders
from 1 RAW file with about 1.5eV differnce.
Best regards,
ib
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:15:57 +0100
From: "Bob Frost"
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
Iliah,
How are you blending the two files? I've tried using
the Blend If sliders with moderate success. Is there a better way?
Bob Frost.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:56:58 -0400
From: "Iliah Borg"
Subject: Re: CC problem: harsh sunlight/shadows
I blend them using inverted/curved/blurred luma mask
over lighter layer, the mask made from darker image.
http://www.pochtar.com/blending.jpg
Best regards,
ib
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