Dan Margulis Applied Color Theory
Maintaining Correct Color in Paintings
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:51:46 -0000
From: Mark Maziarz
Subject: Maintaining correct color while shooting
artwork
I shoot primarily lifestyle images, so color correction
isn't critical to me, but I've been asked to photograph a painting for a
friend and I want to get the color as close as possible for him.
I am thinking about shooting in RAW on my Fuji S2 and
placing a white card in the frame while I shoot the painting. Later,
in Photoshop, I am planning on adjusting levels by placing the highlight
eyedropper on the white card in the photograph. Would that help me
get accurate color in the painting?
Is there anything else I should be doing?
Thanks!
mark maziarz
Park City Utah
www.maziarzphoto.com
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:58:54 -0800
From: Peter Figen
Subject: Re: Maintaining correct color while
shooting artwork
Shooting RAW is great, although I'm not sure just how
much the white card is going to help you. Having the actual artwork
and a calibrated monitor will let you adjust to the artwork itself.
You'll probably find that the dyes in the painting don't respond to the
camera chip quite the way your eyes see them, and a certain amount of
selective correction is going to be required. Some colors are going to look
great but others are going to need some help. You will also want a
calibrated light to view the painting with while doing the corrections. I
like Solux (http://www.solux.net).
Peter Figen
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:21:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Stuart Simons
Subject: Re: Maintaining correct color while
shooting artwork
I've shot artwork in the past and always include a Kodak color/greyscale bar in the shot for calibrating color. This will give you your neutral grey/black as well as CM&Y.
Stuart
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:31:57 EST
From: Ed Meyers
Subject: Re: Maintaining correct color while
shooting artwork
The white, or gray card is a great way to establish a
baseline for color consistency. I usually suggest using the click balance
in whatever your RAW file converter is. By the way, it's worth trying both
a white and a gray click click balance. Some converters prefer one or the
other.
Some good gray targets are Macbeth, QP cards & a
bigger gray card from RM Imaging.
-Ed Meyers-
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:42:22 -0800
From: Richard Chang
Subject: Correct color for shooting artwork
Rendering accurate color in the painting rendering will
depend on the colors in the painting and the colors the rendering target is
capable of rendering. The painting's color gamut must match or be
smaller than the gamut of the rendering device you're planning to use, if
you're to be successful in your quest for accuracy.
Placing a known neutral reference in your scene is a
good idea; a graduated step wedge is better because it allow eval of
neutral from highlight to shadow. Make sure the capture passes the
test for neutrality at each step of the neutral wedge; 2% or less deviation
when reading Photoshop's grayscale Info for Red, Green and Blue channels.
A color temp meter should be used to verify that the lights used for
illumination are identical; filter as necessary.
Placing highlight on the white reference will not
necessarily help set highlight on the painting, it will place highlight on
the white reference and it will maintain the relationship of the painting's
highlight to the white reference. If the painting's highlight is a
neutral white, you may want to set the painting's highlight, instead of the
white reference's highlight. If the painting's white is darker than
the reference white, you might render the painting's white darker than you
like; perhaps accurate in relation to the white reference but perhaps
darker than you like. You're not shooting a white reference, you're
shooting a painting. If the white reference helps, use it. If it
hinders, don't use it.
Levels may not be the best way to set endpoints for a
digital capture. Levels works in a linear fashion for both highlight and
shadow, and therefore doesn't allow choosing transition to the endpoint in
any fashion other than linear. You may want to strengthen or soften
the transition to/from the endpoint; curves is a much more appropriate tool
for doing this. Levels may be acceptable for adjusting scans where
the contrast of the subject is locked in the film. With digital
capture you have control of the light, in concert with the control of the
curve; you contol the density as well as adjacent contrast.
After your capture has the appropriate tonality and
endpoints, adjust the file's color so that the printed rendering matches
the reflected color of the painting. A non-metameric viewing
condition should be used for this eval.
Richard Chang
TransitionOfTone.com
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:53:19 -0800
From: "R. S. Davidson"
Subject: Re: Maintaining correct color while
shooting artwork
This is a well-researched subject, and a web search
will probably get you considerable information. There are several
commercial products ... such as the Kodak Q13 or Q14 Color Separation Guide
and Gray Scale; Kodak Q60 Color Input Target, IT8.7 Color Target, Macbeth
Color Checker and so forth that can be included in the scene in order to
"calibrate" the image.
FWIW: The KODAK Q13 Target Set is their catalog number
152 7654. I think it's the least expensive of the above, and it's one of
their "Graphic Arts" products and should be available (with a
little digging) from your local *professional* camera store, or several
places over the web.
For additional information, see sites such as
http://www.rlg.org/preserv/presmeta.html
15. COLOR BAR/ GRAY SCALE BAR
DEFINITION: Indicate
presence or absence of either and, if present, identify the type.
EXAMPLES: Kodak Q13
or Q14 Color Separation Guide and Gray Scale; Kodak Q60 Color Input Target
http://www.gretagmacbeth.com/Source/Gm.asp?part=
Products&page=ProductsDisplay&id=6984&code=d&typ=product
http://ffscat.lcs.mit.edu/ffshtml/texts/FFSttarg.htm
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:27:20 -0000
From: Greg Lockrey
Subject: Re: Correct color for shooting artwork
You should use a standard white and black as a
reference. I personally use Levels starting with the white, and then the
black. It seems to work good for me and my customers.
Greg Lockrey
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:57:29 -0500
From: Lee Clawson
Subject: Re: Maintaining correct color while
shooting artwork
Mark,
First thing I'd pay attention to is getting uniform
lighting across the surface of the art. Also, depending on the media you
can find highly reflective surface textures. Adding a color/grayscale
target can help.
Lee
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:45:13 +0000
From: Paul Fawley
Subject: Re: Maintaining correct color while
shooting artwork
Mark,
Place the print on black velvet. Expose to get the
lightest strip on the kodak scale to about 240.
Dont be tempted to go lighter even if your shadows look
a little muddy, you can always open them up later.
Lowering the contrast of your lighting may help,
conversley, if you want to bring out any surface texture, use a
tungsten spot across the artwork, balanced to your flash.
Tip. Put a white/grey strip at the four ends of
the print to check how colour and output balanced your light sources
are.......light meters aren't as accurate as a dropper!.
Mask out any other light areas around the print to
minimise flare
HTH
p
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:45:55 EST
From: CMYCLAY
Subject: Maintaining correct color while shooting
artwork
Mark,
Delivering the best color you can of your friends
painting is a multi dimensional endeavor.
The initial color captured will be based on how true
your camera captures color. Same as what brand of film used and who
processed it on what day. Getting an exact color match from an
initial capture via film or digital is tough if not impossible. A
profiled camera may get you closer but I don't believe it would match all
artwork all the time.
I would include a multiple step gray scale and some
sort of color reference. I also would not squeeze it in on the edge
but rather take a separate shot where it is centered and prominent. Be sure
color bouncing off the painting is not influencing the scale if you are
using any fill cards. If your light is even and each light is the
same color the capture now will depend on your cameras chip and filters,
etc. I suppose Raw capture is not a bad way to go, but you may also
wish to shoot with your regular settings as a comparison.
I would keep a copy of all original painting and gray
scale captures. Next make a curve to neutralize the grayscale and
save it. In theory, neutralizing the gray scale should neutralize
your lighting and chip capture. Grays and whites in the painting may
not be neutral, same as with product packaging or clothing and white and
gray seamless. Applying the neutral curve to your image should in theory
make it neutral. The exact range of the painting holding subtle
detail, etc., can be different from the grayscale depending on the work
itself.
At this stage you have captured the best data you are
capable of with your setup and equipment. If your friend now needs
the highest quality reproduction possible, he can take the file to the
people who will do his output along with his painting to match.
Everyone has given a lot of good tips so get the
capture first then move on to phase two. This being, reading the RGB
numbers in your file, perhaps reading the CMYK equivalents and jotting down
the numbers. Next you need a color resource which shows you a sample
color of what those numbers should look like. Compare that swatch to the
painting under the same lightsource, ideally, a color calibrated source.
Are they in the ballpark? What color does match the painting?
What is the difference between what you have (photoshop numbers) and
what you want?
Good luck Mark! Feel free to e-mail me off line
or call with any further
questions at any time. Still waiting for some snow!
Clay Tomas
901-761-4983
Graphics Technician
Western Producer Publications
www.producer.com
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