Dan Margulis Applied Color Theory
Custom CMYK Doesn’t Simulate Paper White
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:14:20 -0800
From: Doug Walker
Subject: custom cmyk profile / no simulate paper white
I created a custom CMYK in PS by adjusting to 280 and
light and saved out. When soft proofing there is no simulate paper
white?
Is this adjusted custom profile not valid to use in
Proof Setup>Custom function once altered? Am I missing something
regarding Custom CMYK in PS?
Doug Walker, FP
website: http://www.walkerphoto.com
Member, PPW, ASMP, APA SF
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:54:09 EST
From: Dan Margulis
Subject: Re: custom cmyk profile / no simulate paper
white
Doug writes,
I created a custom CMYK in PS by adjusting to 280 and
light and saved
out. When soft proofing there is no simulate
paper white?
No. The Custom CMYK routine doesn’t support
adjusting the white and black points.
Is this adjusted custom profile not valid to use in
Proof Setup>Custom
function once altered? Am I missing something
regarding Custom CMYK in
PS?
You can use it, without simulating paper white, of
course. No, you aren’t missing anything about Custom CMYK, but our
friends at Adobe are. This is something that has come up time and again in
the past five years.
The ICC profile specification is very powerful. It can
handle almost any demand. But, unfortunately, Adobe refuses to let us edit
such profiles directly in Photoshop, which sharply limits their utility to
the high-end CMYK user. So, we are stuck with an ancient format with a lot
of flaws, but at least we can edit it.
Dan Margulis
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:38:04 -0800
From: Doug Walker
Subject: Re: custom cmyk profile / no simulate paper
white
We have had fairly good results with the standard SWOP
profile but when probing for tighter specs we were told to use 280 and
light generation. All else being equal. Job runs on any of 6
presses on any given day so consistency is a crap shoot.
Since we cannot simulate paper white with the adjusted
profile while softproofing what are we to expect to be most visually
different all things being equal.
Heavier blacks? More contrast?
Doug Walker, FP
website: http://www.walkerphoto.com
Member, PPW, ASMP, APA SF
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:37:45 EST
From: Dan Margulis
Subject: Re: custom cmyk profile / no simulate paper
white
Whether you’ve got a white point compensation or
not, the monitor is going to look higher-contrast than the print.
That’s the most difficult thing for photographers to grasp, in my
experience: in print it’s going to look flatter, period. You’re
well advised to go for more contrast, IMHO, even if color fidelity
isn’t great.
The Custom CMYK black point deficiency is far more
serious, in my view. Custom CMYK always assumes that black ink is
absolutely black and completely opaque. This can seriously mislead anybody
who’s trying to evaluate shadow detail. Personally, I don’t
think too many people are fooled by the lack of paper white.
Dan Margulis
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:49:06 -0000
From:Stephen Marsh
Subject: Re: custom cmyk profile / no simulate paper
white
Doug, when this has come up in the past - I have
mentioned a third option - although there is a fourth one too. The first
two options are to use the Adobe profile, even though it is not what the
press guys would ideally like. The second is to use custom CMYK to spec
your own seps, but then you hit the custom CMYK issues (if they are a
concern to you).
The fourth option, is to edit the TAC and or black
plate - but this is not really an option for high volume settings.
The third option, is to use a SWOP profile that has 280
TAC and light K generation (yes, I know that SWOP calls for 300%).
Chromix Profile Central offer a series of profiles
(half dozen or so) to members (free rego) - generated from SWOP TR001 data
- with a range of GCR and UCR with various TAC. These profiles are not as
‘tame’ as the Adobe TR001 profiles, which I think is both a
positive/negative thing.
The site has been down for a while, although myself and
countless other folk must have downloaded these profiles when the site was
up:
http://www.chromix.com/
This 280TAC LTGCR profile is around half a meg
compressed, contact me offlist if you would like to see how it performs in
your setting (it does support paper white and black ink softproofing).
Regards,
Stephen Marsh.
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