Dan Margulis Applied Color Theory

How to Make a 2-Color Spot File

   Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:21:05 EDT
   From: erlegrubb
Subject: 2 spot-color Photoshop file

Chris, et al:

What is the proper procedure for making a 2-color (Pantone) Photoshop file from a 2-color (solid) scan to have the Photoshop file separate from within a Quark file.

Obviously, I could convert the Photoshop scan to an Illustrator file and with that I don't have a problem, but I wanted to save time by using the original scan.

In the past, I have selected each of the two solid colors in the scan and filled them with 100% of each of two process colors (c,m,y or k) and then output those two plates within Quark using whatever Pantone ink was called for.

Will the Photoshop file itself trap the two colors where they abut?
Erle Grubb
Grubb Graphics, NYC
Print Design & Production
(212) 799-7084 voice/fax
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   Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:46:10 -0700
   From: J Walton
Subject: 2 spot-color Photoshop file

If you want 2 spot colors in Photoshop, you1ll need to make two separate channels and put each color in its own channel.  You can define them anyway you want, either as cyan-magenta or as PMS 485-PMS 116 (spot channels).

They will not trap unless you trap them manually in Photoshop.  For 300dpi files at full size, a 1 pixel trap is perfect for most printing(.0032).

J
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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 19:37:20 -0700
   From: Jono Moore
Subject: Re: 2 spot-color Photoshop file

J Walton wrote:

If you want 2 spot colors in Photoshop, you1ll need to make two separate
channels and put each color in its own channel.  You can define them anyway
you want, either as cyan-magenta or as PMS 485-PMS 116 (spot channels).

And I'll add that you need to save the file as a DCS file (combined, with preview) for Quark.

A warning about DCS files though, they aren't made for composite workflows. If you are sending to a colour laser printer or to a RIP with   in-RIP separations you will only get the preview. You have to run your separations from Quark.

For anyone who needs to process a bunch of these types of files, there is a program to fix it called DCSMerger but it isn't cheap.

(I just checked in PS 7 and the choices are given as DCS 1.0 and DCS 2.0 - anyone know which version to use? I can't remember. I don't think PS used to list the version numbers...)

...Jono
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   Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:13:09 EDT
   From: Dan Margulis
Subject: Re: 2 spot-color Photoshop file

J writes,

They will not trap unless you trap them manually in Photoshop.  For 300dpi
files at full size, a 1 pixel trap is perfect for most printing(.0032).

True, but one important caution is omitted. If you are using two spot colors and printing them out of the magenta and cyan channels, to trap them you have to have the darker of the two spot colors in the magenta and the lighter in the cyan, otherwise the trap will be backwards.

Dan Margulis
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   Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:13:04 +0000
   From: RJay Hansen
Subject: Re: 2 spot-color Photoshop file

A warning about DCS files though, they aren't made for composite
workflows. If you are sending to a colour laser printer or to a RIP with  in-RIP separations you will only get the preview. You have to run your
separations fromQuark.

What do people running CTP do with these sorts of files? We just had a 5-color job with a 2/c DCS ad on  a 2/c flat and we had to run that ad out of Quark and strip it for double-burning to the imposed flats.

The Photoshop manual says you can save as DCS 2 or as a PDF. We tried saving it as a PDF. This separated out of Acrobat 6 to a b/w laser printer, but when we plopped the PDF into the main job's pdf, it didn't separate to our imagesetter. :-/

It also only displays the black printer although you can see Acrobat draw the color printer (in b/w) to screen just before it covers it up w/the black printer.

For anyone who needs to process a bunch of these types of
files, there is a program to fix it called DCSMerger but it
isn't cheap.

Yeah, we have this pop up only 2 or 3 times a year.

(I just checked in PS 7 and the choices are given
as DCS 1.0 and DCS 2.0
anyone know which version to use? I
can't remember. I don't think PS
used to list the version
numbers...)

You need to use DCS 2.0.

RJay Hansen

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